Sam Seder Warned Jimmy Dore Mitch McConnell Likely To Fill Supreme Court Vacancy
Sam Seder, a progressive YouTube host and infrequent MSNBC Contributor cautioned firebrand Jimmy Dore in a fiery YouTube debate on September 22, 2016: you can’t ignore the supreme court, which Dore disagreed adamantly, claiming democrats would filibuster all of Trump’s nominations.
Jimmy Dore opined, “This is my risk assessment is that when Donald Trump proposes crazy stuff we can coalesce, we can block him, also the democrats can filibuster horrible stuff.”
The democrats did not filibuster, in fact, Mitch McConnell nuked the filibuster and said he would fill the vacancy in a partisan move. Gorsuch was confirmed and Sam Seder’s prediction validated.
Indeed, the Trump administration is perched to transform the legal system into a robber baron’s court, replete with rollbacks of Roe V. Wade, Obergefell, decades of hard-fought rulings on church-state separation.
Right Wing Watch reported Mark Meckler, president of Citizens for Self-Governance and co-founder of the Convention of States project, informed right-wing shouter Mark Levin in August of 2018 that his movement aims “to reverse 115 years of progressivism.”
Leaving the door open to eradicate new deal programs like Social Security and Medicare that many elderly people depend on to live.
The angriest moment in the debate was when Seder told Dore to “Stop offering theories about politics on your platform that are bogus.”
Dore lashed out, “Well, I think there not bogus. I think I just proved to you that there not bogus. The only proof you showed is that you said it. I think I just showed you how you’re wrong about all of this stuff. And you’re voting out of fear, again. Out of fear. Oh, there might be two supreme court justices! What if there’s three?!WHAT IF THE MOON FALLS INTO LAKE MICHIGAN?! What are we going to do then?”
Dore and Seder had a back-and-forth argument on Dore’s baffling and illogical formula to allow a republican president, a republican senate, and a republican house to run the country for two years, and that democrats would be able to filibuster two, perhaps even three vacancies.
Dore: “I’m playing a longer game.”
Seder: “How much time do you think we have?”
Two years pass, and Dore is telling his viewers we need more time than two years to start a progressive revolution via third party, it turned out democrats did not take control of the senate, only the house, and the republican party is more united than ever to aggressively gerrymander and abolish the great society programs to bring us back to the dark ages.
When you observe Seder’s criticisms of Trump, or even Chapo Trap House’s critiques of Trump, the criticisms are not wary to avoid aggravating any potential right-wing listener, to the contrary, Dore decidedly makes everything Trump does a joke or inconsequential, calling him “Donnie tiny hands” or minimizes the devastation Trump has wrought by repeating that ‘Trump is a symptom of a larger problem’- never presenting the real dangers of having a white supremacist in the white house who has unchallenged dominion over his own propaganda outlets (though he has slowly turned on Fox News).
In late October of 2017, YouTube personality Rational National (his real name is David Doel) called into Seder’s show to ‘kind of’ defend Jimmy Dore and said: “I’m a big fan of both you and Jimmy Dore. I think you both serve a purpose and um, I feel like Jimmy sort of gets the raw deal from you, to be honest. And…I think it sort of comes down to a misunderstanding, I think when it comes to Jimmy Dore he speaks to the anger, the anger that people feel. Whereas you speak more to the intellect. I mean, you have a long-format show, you go deeper into topics, discuss policy and that sort of thing.”
David Doel reasoned that people in the Alex Jones camp could possibly be ‘grabbed by Jimmy Dore’ and from there move onto other progressive voices.
Sam Seder: “These are really basic facts that you can deliver in a really emotional way or in an arm length’s way- but to get them wrong…to me, is uh, you’re just talking nonsense and that is such a basic- I mean look, I get that people don’t get emotional about the supreme court, maybe, or the federal judiciary, or net neutrality. He was mad that three democrats voted to OK the FCC Chairman Ajit Pai, he was a former commissioner- yeah, that’s a problem but guess what? Completely predictable. Completely predictable. Politics work in this way you do something, someone does something, and then something happens because of it. And he divorces those things in a lot of what he says. It was in that context I said to him, I called him up, I emailed him, I said Jimmy we’re gonna go over a video of yours on the show tomorrow. If you want come on the show, and we can have a debate about the importance of the supreme court. He said no go ahead. Apparently, he was listening into the show and he called in. So we had a debate about it.”
Seder and Dore as well as sharing an audience, share a career in comedy, and Sam called out Jimmy for cowardly using his comedian-status as a shield to ward him from attacks: “And what I find really annoying, too- look; I came from comedy. I have no pedigree. I have no credentials that make it any more legitimate for me to sit here than anyone else. And nor does he. But what I never do, and what he does, I don’t say, I’m a comedian or I don’t know what I’m talking about or I’m not responsible for what I’m talking about, which is what he did on that program. And then he went on more to debate it on twitter. So, I said, hey, I’m happy to have a round two, even though he basically said I don’t know what I’m talking about. And then he went on to do it on twitter and so I said okay let’s go onto your show and do it because I gave him access to my audience, to make his argument, I want access to his audience to make an argument that actually it does make a difference if Peter Thiel is a supreme court justice. In fact, it makes every difference in the world who that supreme court justice is. Because I can tell you in six months public work sector unions are going to be decimated. Decimated. And that’s just the beginning of this shit.”
David Doel quipped that Jimmy and Sam should get along due to their synergies in terms of policy. Seder fired back: “Do you honestly think that it doesn’t make a difference, if Jimmy and I both agree that there should be single-payer and that we are supportive of unions but then it doesn’t matter who the potential fifth supreme court justice, or the sixth or seventh, I mean, its like saying- I don’t even know if I can come up with an analogy. Its like saying hey, we both want to go to Toronto. Doesn’t make a difference if we walk or take a plane.”
David Doel has since regretted his defense of Jimmy Dore and engaged in a screaming match with Jimmy Dore on his show over Biden versus Trump in early May of 2019.
(The Progressive Voice noted the fight really got edgy when Ron Placone clashed with David Doel.)
Ron Placone: “It isn’t as simple as going the lesser of two evils, and you know what I experienced in 2016, David? I experienced friends of mine who lived in swing states who voted for Hillary Clinton as they were so scared of Trump and cried in their car. Because they had to vote for such an awful nominee. I live in California, a safe state, so I pulled the lever for Jill Stein not just for myself, but for them. For this country. So, I want you to say to me that I was wrong! I want you to say to me that I was wrong!”
tags: Jimmy Dore, Sam Seder, Rational National, Supreme Court, Predictions